Hi, We are laying new t&g pine floorboards in our living room over the existing floorboards. (we have left the new ones in the room for a couple of months to dry / season) . Not one wall is square to another - or straight! so my husband is considering laying the new floor diagonally in the room. We think that this will not only look original but also get round the problem of the room not being square. As he will be secret nailing it to the existing floor, he doesn't have to follow the joists. Do you know of any reason why this shouldn't be done?? We can't see this in any design etc books that we have looked up. Thank you so much for any help you can give, and for such an informative site.
You have found a perfect solution for this problem!
The only things you and your husband must be aware of are:
- any 'hidden' pipes, cables underneath the existing floor
- to use proper nails. If you would hire a Portanailer the hire-people will know what kind of nails he should use.
- Installing diagonal will cause extra saw-waste.
Good luck with the job
hello,
I wish to install a solid oak panel floor. I can nail this on to an existing wooden floor, however, there is also an adjoining concrete floor that is on the same level.
Q. Is it possible to lay this timber without having to use a floating floor, otherwise there will be a 40mm step from the dining room to the kitchen?
What are my current options?
Yes it's possible to install the floor the way you described. If I understand correctly, you will not lay the floor also on the concrete part.
When installing a floor (nailing, glueing or floating) your underfloor type has to be of one sort. If you have two or more sorts (like existing floorboards and part concrete) it's best to install harboard first to create one type of underfloor to prevent difference in (moist) reactions of the floor.
For more info and advice see our DIY-site
Hi:
I've been reading your posts. I'm very impressed with your generosity sharing your knowledge not by being after a sale.
I wish I had seen this forum (DIYnot) and your website before I bought the wood for a renovation I have underway.
I bought several months ago Elka/Kempass solid wood floor about 18mm thick. It has been seasoning for months in each of the rooms.
I want to use plywood over the current pine floorboards. I am thinking of using 6mm plywood and Elastilon on all the rooms of the first floor. None of the rooms are larger or wider than 3.5m but I intend to have uniform transitions between the rooms (no splitting of areas)
I've searched for plywood and have found different types. Which plywood
would you recommend. (Would you have plywood to sell for flooring purposes?)
I am planning to screw the plywood onto the current boards (don't want to use nails- far tooo permanent to my perception and too messy to remove if one happens to need to do any plumbing rework). I am wondering about gaps between the plywood sheets and overall gaps between the plywood and the walls.
By the way, would you have Elka/Kempass hardwood for sale? I will need for the ground floor. That is one I didn't buy as I am doing this project in stages.
Many thanks;
Aldo
;-) Thanks for your kind words.
To answer most of your questions:
If possible, check the moist level in the Kempas wood. Normally Oak and other wood-types must be between 8 and 12%, but experience has taught us that with Kempas it's best to be UNDER 9% (we've learned the hard-way ;-)
That's also the reason we don't do solid kempass, but if you want we can source Kempass wood-engineered full-plank for you.
Reading your question, I presume your pine floorboards are not even. If so, 6mm plywood could tackle this if it's not that bad (just slightly cupped, but we would recommend a thicker version minimum 12mm.
If the cupping is not that bad, you could also place strips of thin hardboard in the 'holes' of the floorboards, to prevent a 'bouncing-effect'. An alternative would be OSB boards.
You're right about the screws, we either use them (every 25cm, so still a lot) or staples but then you need a nail/staple gun. It's fine to leave a tiny gap between the plywood boards (wood will always work, but the cross-multi layered construction of the plywood should prevent excessive expansion) and leave a wider gap between the plywood and the walls, like you would with the wood (also handy for 'hiding' cables).
And no, we don't sell plywood, even we go to Wickes, B&Q or local timber yard for that ;-)
Elastilon is a good product, but read the instructions properly, it takes a bit of getting used to, specially the first bit.
Hope this helps, feel free to contact us with further questions, or check our DIY-site
We're almost there: in a few weeks time Wood You Like will open its new showroom in the lovely village of Charing, Kent.
The new showroom is located in the new housing estate Brenchley Mews on the School Road and will be filled with sample floors and sample boards of the most popular floor and wood types.
Plus we will stock our wide range of maintenance products, materials for DIY-ers (like parquet adhesive, HardWaxOil, thresholds, beadings etc) and floor protection items.
We will update our blog with the progress we're making, so "watch this space"
Picture shows new showroom front at Brenchley Mews, Charing (creative use of copy and paste to illustrate future sign, click on picture for better view)
When thinking about wooden flooring, many people immediately think of solid floorboards. Mainly because in older houses the underfloor was/is made of 18 - 21mm thick solid (pine) floorboards; which are (secretly) nailed onto the joist.
Since 'modern' houses have concrete floors the real need to have solid floorboards no longer exists. (Although we do sometimes hear of people insisting on installing battens on this concrete base in order to secretly nail solid floorboards. An absolute waste of materials, time and money!)
In mainland Europe more and more manufacturers make/sell more Wood-Engineered boards than Solid boards: for the reason above but also to reduce the amount of solid wood (=trees) needed; environmental friendly.
The backing (cross-layers) of Wood-Engineered boards are made of pine/plywood/mdf or chipboard, materials either recycled, rest-products or grown in controlled purpose-build forests.
(We know these boards are also sometimes known as laminated floors, but in order to prevent confusion with Melamine Laminated -'plastic'- floors Wood You Like uses the better suitable Wood-Engineered term.)
Wood-Engineered flooring is now also widely available in the full-plank version, once installed there is absolutely no difference in look with a solid floor, specially when the long sides of the boards have a (micro)bevel.
The original 3-strip Wood-Engineered flooring is very suitable in smaller rooms (bedrooms) cause they make the room look wider/bigger, plus are economical priced.
There are areas in you home we strongly recommend Wood-Engineered floors over solid floors: kitchens, bathrooms, utility rooms and conservatories. In these areas there is more moist or rapid changes in temperature where the stability of Wood-Engineered floors comes in very handy.
Also, we recommend Wood-Engineered floors with underfloor heating, again because of the stability thanks to the way these boards are build-up.
Check our on-line shop for our wide range in Wood-Engineered 3-strip, full-plank or our "Duoplank" (load-bearing Wood-Engineered board) floors we can supply (and install in the East Kent area).
Q:
I am fitting a parquet floor in the hallway and as instructed I have left a half inch gap for expansion. The recommendation is to fill with cork expansion strips and cover with beading. Do you have any suggestion for strips of beading that are less than 6 inches that just look out of place and also do you have tips for going around door frames?
A: Cork strips might get 'crushed' when the floor expands and will start creaking. It is not necessary to put cork strips in the expansion gap.
We sell flat beading (in any wood-type) to cover expansion gaps and once installed look like a nice 'picture-frame' We almost never use Scotia's.
Around door frames is easy or hard, depending on the amount of architrave. If almost none, try to install the beading with mitered angles. If many, the only solution is to saw underneath the architrave and door frame to create expansion gap and slide beading partly underneath.
See our on-line shop for samples:
Wood likes water as long it's a tree, after that......Before installing a wooden floor, there are three important items you (must) check for moist:
- The underfloor, specially if concrete/screed
- The wood itself
- The air in the room(s) you're installing the wood in
1) When working with a new concrete/screed underfloor there is a rule of thumb: every inch (2.5 cm) under normal circumstances takes 30 days to dry-out sufficiently. Under normal circumstances means: no forced drying with heath-canons and the room(s) are not exposed to the outside climate (simple meaning: all walls, windows, outside doors are in place ;-)
Ventilate as much as possible to assist the drying process.
The moist level in concrete/screed underfloors must not exceed 2.1%.
2) Always make sure your wooden flooring comes from a reputable source. The moist content in Oak flooring (90% of all flooring in the U.K.) must be between 9 - 11 % Storing the wood in the room you intent to install it in (2 - 3 days before the works start) is good practice: it will let the wood acclimatize to the specific conditions of that room.
Beware of cheap offers telling you the wood is kilned dried: this could mean dried as normal timber to 15% Since wooden flooring is (in the U.K.) still a growth market timber yards are trying to get 'a piece of the action', but compared to traditional flooring manufacturers with 50 - 100 years of experience in drying wood for flooring, some don't really have the equipment (or knowledge! )to dry to floors correctly. So buyer beware !
3) Wood will always react to moist (or lack of) in the air. Just think of doors in Spring or Autumn jamming in the door-frame. And that's just hardly a meter wide.
Most wooden floor installation instructions speak of installing the floor by an air humidity between 50 - 65%, but does that mean you can't install your flooring when it's lower or higher?
Well, ideally 50 - 65% humidity is the best (not only for flooring, but also for your own health), but there are many days during the year that the humidity is much higher or lower (think of Winter: central heating on full, dry wind causing your skin (lips) to dry-out).
What then?
If the humidity is low, allow for a wider expansion gap between the floor and the wall (or skirtingboard). This will give the wood more space to adjust to higher humidity and to expand without getting stuck to the wall (or skirtingboard). In extreme cases the floor will still expand beyond it expansion gaps and then the only thing you can do is to ease the floor by cutting a bit of the boards hitting the wall (or skirtingboard).
If you've taken care to allow for sufficient expansion gap and your floor starts to expand in a season were it normally shrink (wood works all year round), you might have a moist problem caused by leaking pipes or rising damp.
Remember: wood likes water as long it's a tree, after that......
For more tips and advice on wooden flooring see our DIY web site
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- answer most frequently asked questions about wooden flooring
- inform you about our new projects
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The FAQ will be an ongoing theme and if your question or query isn't answered yet (or you have a specific problem) please feel free to email us, we are here to help you.N.B. since we are based in the U.K. some specific question from other countries will be harder to answer for us, but we will certainly try ;-)
